Teaching Transformations Podcast Episode 12: Internet Evolutions

Teaching Transformations

Internet Evolutions

Every day, technology is becoming more advanced—and so is the internet. From social media usage to the Semantic Web, tune into today’s episode to hear Tim and Ryan discuss their fears and predictions for the future. 

The Teaching Transformations Podcast. Join Tim Desmond Ryan Wooley as they help teachers in their late forties or fifties to design a post-academic life.

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Tim  0:01  

Welcome to Teaching Transformations: Designing Your Post-Career Life with Tim Desmond and Ryan Wooley.

Ryan  0:12  

Do you still lease your cars?

Tim  0:15  

I’m in a weird place. I have one lease that is up in a month, and we bought out a lease, which I almost never do because it’s just not a good practice, but like the circumstances are right. So technically, I have one car that I own, and I’m looking at an invoice from Foundation Honda which needs about $1,000 worth of work which I’m really excited about.

Ryan  0:38  

Yep, that’s why I’m asking. I’ve never leased, and it’s just something I could never get my mind around, but I’m starting to appreciate the beauty of a lease just because I can’t escape the car work. I still have a year to pay off my car, and I didn’t buy it brand new, but I’m looking at like, if I were to go pay a mechanic to do the work that needs done on my car right now, it would be $1,500 or more just for strats and stuff like that, and I can’t justify that money. I’m talking about chewing that out of what little weekend I have, you know, whenever I can get to it.

Tim Desmond  1:33  

I feel your pain, man, and here’s the realization I came to. I’m in a little different spot with you in that I’m looking and no joke, here’s the invoice. It’s literally sitting on my desk. I’m like, okay, this is gonna cost me $1,000. It’s a rear brake, rotors, and pads. It’s transmission fluid, flush brake, differential fluid flush, you know, all this stuff that goes, and I’m thinking like, how many hours do I need to give up to save that 1000 bucks? Then I’m saying, what do I charge clients per hour, or what if I took an editing job and broke it down by hour? Now, it’s a no-brainer because I can make more money. I can’t make more time, so I’m kind of in a place now where unless it’s outlandish, I’m going to pay someone to do it.

Ryan  2:28  

Yeah. I’m slowly getting to that place, but it’s difficult because I also don’t have like clients. I don’t have something that’s sitting there.

Tim  2:38  

Yeah, you’re salaried. You have a built in budget, for lack of a better term.

Ryan  2:43  

Right. I hate the idea of paying somebody else to do something I can do. I just hate it.

Tim Desmond  2:53  

I’ve gotten over it. Not completely, there’s still things I do that I should not be doing. Cutting the grass is another great example. Do you cut your own grass?

Ryan  3:04  


Tim  3:05  

How long does it take you?

Ryan  3:07  

Thirty minutes.

Tim  3:08  

Okay. What about total trim, cleanup, everything, like thirty minutes?

Ryan  3:14  

You know, if we do the edging and stuff, that might add a little more, and it’s not always me, like various people in the house contribute, too.

Tim  3:23  

Right. A few years ago, we had one of those landscapers drop a leaflet inside of our door. It’s $23 a cut, and I’m like, why would I pay someone $23? I mean, I know how to cut grass, but for me, it’s about an hour. Is it worth it? It’s not worth an hour.

Ryan  3:48  

I know. A couple years ago, we had a problem with Christina’s car, the air conditioner, and I knew the part that was problematic was buried way down under the dash.

Tim  4:00  

I remember this repair.

Ryan  4:02  

Yeah. I took out the steering wheel, the dash, all that stuff to get down to the firewall name and replace that part and then put it all back in to save like $2,500. I wouldn’t even say I regret that. I also kind of like learning, it’s just man, that took easily four or five days.

Tim  4:27  

Yeah, exactly, and I think I was raised very much like you were. My dad did everything on his cars. He didn’t take it to a shop for anything, and because I was the oldest, anytime brake pads needed changed or struts needed replaced, I was under the car with him, and I hated that. I despised it. I started doing it as an adult, and I promised myself I was not going to make my son help me with the car. In fairness, you know, cars have gotten way more complex than they were thirty or forty years ago, and I feel like there’s very few things you can work on yourself now without having some sort of technical know-how when it comes to like the onboard computer system or the car’s electronics. I don’t know how you manage that because that stuff scares me.


Ryan  5:22  

Yep. Well, even this little strut job, I really need a spring compressor. I don’t have one, so I’m going to take these struts off the car which takes a while just itself. I’m going to take the new struts over to a shop, they’re going to disassemble the old ones because you have to have a special tool to do that, they’re going to reassemble my new ones, give them to me, and then I’m going to go back to my house and put them on.

Tim  5:50  

Oh, man. Good luck with that, bro.

Ryan  5:52  

Yeah. Alright, well I’m excited about today’s topic. I want to talk about this new thing that everybody’s talking about called the internet.

Tim  6:06  

The internet. I think I’ve heard of that.

Ryan  6:08  

Yeah. I want to go on record right now to say that I think this is here to stay. I think it’s really in the world.

Tim  6:16  

Okay. Well, what is it? Tell me about it.

Ryan  6:23  

During one of our conversations about generational stuff where we were thinking about the different characteristics, the different shared experiences that each generation can can look to, and that’s when it dawned on me. I mean, that’s a pretty big one that our generation has really gotten to witness from beginning to end because we know what it was like before there was an internet or even a PC revolution. We know how the world changed after that, and we’ve seen it go through these phases. We just have a unique vantage point on this whole process, and I think it has changed, and I think it’s going to be changing, and I just kind of wanted to dig into that a little bit. I also want us to get into some of our personal experiences and go back down memory lane and think about the first time we had some awareness of what the internet was or even before that, like your first experience with a computer. Can you think back? What are your early tech memories? You became kind of a techie type.

Tim  7:48  

Yeah, I did. I think I inherited that characteristic from my grandfather who loved gadgets. He was a gadgets guy, and this is certainly pre-internet, pre-computer, but he always had the newest VCR, and he always had these different watches, and he had a watch calculator. I remember as a kid, I thought that was the most amazing thing in the world. I climbed on his lap and looked at the time, and there’ll be a calculator on his watch. I’m like, that’s crazy. So, yeah, I think I’ve had that inclination, and you’re right, man. It’s crazy to think that we grew up without the internet, and that’s so obvious on the surface, but I think that’s fundamentally striking. There’s a difference between growing up with or without electricity, like I really think it is that drastic, right? I can remember we had computer game consoles, and it wasn’t until I was in high school when I first got introduced to PCs. We had a typing class in high school on typewriters, but we also had a computer lab, and they were not networked. I don’t even remember what they were, but we were being taught basic coding. I don’t even remember what it was, you know, but it was really basic stuff, and it wasn’t until I was getting into college where you had sort of the PC revolution. Then you’re getting into things like the earliest Windows machines and Macintosh and word processors and that kind of stuff. I can remember in college going to the quote unquote “computer lab” to type up my history papers. I remember going to the computer lab in the Student Union at the University of Pittsburgh to type up my Op Ed pieces for the Pitt news, and it wasn’t until I was starting graduate school when the internet started, and it started with the America Online discs and the Compuserve and those sort of walled communities. I remember a classmate of mine and I went home. This was at Duquesne, and we were both, I don’t know, it was like tell netting. I don’t even know what it was, but we were both on our own PCs, and we had a very early modem connected, and we were chatting back and forth. I can still picture being in that chair and just being blown away. I was seeing his words come up on my computer screen. That was just I mean, it blew my mind.

Ryan  10:15  

Yeah. It was so simple back then, the stuff that wowed us. Think about if we could have predicted like twenty, twenty-five, or thirty years from now, like we’ll be where we are now. I don’t think any of us would have predicted the drastic level of change that we’ve seen.

Tim  10:32  

No. I mean, it’s been nuts. I remember in the early 90s, on one of my first PCs, it came with Microsoft Encarta, and it came on discs. That was the first time I watched a video on my computer which again, was mind blowing. It was a postage stamp size ten second video of the moon launch.

Ryan  10:57  

Yep, I remember that.

Tim  11:00  

I didn’t have audio ’cause I had no sound cards, so I could just see the video on the screen and remember being blown away by that. It just seems so rudimentary now.

Ryan  11:10  

Yeah, ’cause you were like, this is supposed to happen on a TV. That’s where that happens.

Tim  11:17  

Right, not where I type up my papers or work in spreadsheets. I’m like, I’m watching a video on my computer. What were your first memories?

Ryan  11:28  

Mine’s pretty early. I was in, I would say, probably fifth grade, maybe fourth. I think our library had a couple of Apple lls, and they had the Oregon Trail. This is when the screens were like green through all that typing.

Tim  11:49  


Ryan  11:53  

And this was a reward for something. It’s like, if you get x work done, you can go to the computer lab and play this game. I was all over it. I just loved being there, so I kept doing that, and then that was kind of it for a while. I didn’t really pay attention to technology, you know, I was really big into my English classes and in history classes. I wasn’t a techie type by any stretch, and that didn’t come back to me. Well, it started with, I couldn’t handwrite. Handwriting was always painful to me, so my parents invested in one of those word processors like the Brother, even a little screen, so that’s kind of where it started. Then when the PC revolution came, I was a really good typist by that time. I needed one just to get through school. I became really enamored with the fact that you could throw little clipart onto your papers, and you could adjust the font styles and stuff. I felt so empowered by that. I was like, I’m  my own little publisher here. That’s kind of where it started, and I built my own PC which is the thing that’s coming back. I don’t know if anybody in your house is into that, but my son is really into the build your own PC thing right now.

Tim  13:27  

Gamers are big on that.

Ryan  13:28  

Yep, so that’s been kind of rekindling some memories and stuff, but man, I had no business getting into technology once I got into education. I mean, I was an English teacher one year, and then this tech coordinator position came open, and I liked going to the computer lab. I was learning there, but like, I wasn’t even using email at the time when I applied for this job, but somehow, I got it at this school district.

Tim  14:08  

You weren’t using email in college?

Ryan  14:10  


Tim  14:11  

 Wow. That’s where I first sent an email. Junior year.

Ryan  14:15  

Yeah. Well, you went through college before me.

Tim  14:19  

Yeah, of course.

Ryan  14:26  

Did you use Netscape Navigator in the early days of the internet?

Tim  14:29  

Oh, yeah.

Ryan  14:32  

I still remember the sound of that modem. Stuff like that, anytime you want it to go on. I don’t even know how to describe that weird phone sound.

Tim  14:34  

The beeping. The kids can google it if they want.

Ryan  14:48  

Yeah, that’s right. It’s out there. Back then, we would have predicted that there would be really distinct phases of the internet, but you know, now that we’re this far along, they’ve started to sort of break into time periods, so web 2.0 obviously. Before that, it was just the web or the internet, and then once you’ve described something as 2.0, now you have to go backward and call the original 1.0 and imply that there’s a 3.0 coming.

Tim  15:24  

Al Gore had this all mapped out.

Ryan  15:26  

Oh, yeah, I think he had an outline that timed all this. You already talked about those early encyclopedias that were on disc, and then that more or less translated to the early web. It was kind of similar, you know, there’s content there. You search it, you go grab it, and that’s kind of it. It was sort of a one-way street in the early days.

Tim  16:00  

I think that’s accurate. I mean, there’s a bit of a transitional period of what I would call the bulletin board forums that maybe bridged the 1.0 to 2.0. But yeah, I think you’re right. Early on, it was very static, it was very one way. You had to go looking for things that you wanted. Yeah, I’d say that’s accurate.

Ryan  16:20  

Yeah. It’s like the big companies would be like, we’ve put content here and you can search it and look at it, so web 2.0, there’s no date that that started, but I would I put it around 2004. I think that’s when most people agree that web 2.0 really came into its own. I think that the term was coined in 1999 at a conference if I remember right, and there was a lot of change happening around 2004, 2005. I think that’s kind of when smartphones were really taking off, too. I want to talk a little bit about like, what is web 2.0? What was it, and what are takeaways from its characteristics? What does it matter?

Tim  17:23  

I mean, I think that the chart that you put together for this does a really good job of breaking that down. I think the biggest distinction between 1.0 and 2.0 is social. That by far I think is the biggest difference. 2.0 became the beginning of communities, and those communities could have been built around walled gardens like MySpace or Friendster or what would become Facebook, but they were also built through blogging and early podcasting. Those were also ways that people were able to connect and sort of find other people with the same passions and interests that they had, so it was much more community oriented than web 1.0.

Ryan  18:12  

Yeah, and I remember books of that time that were sort of describing what characterizes web 2.0. The three things that were always mentioned were podcasts, blogs, and Wikis. Right?

Tim  18:27  

Oh, Wikis, yeah.

Ryan  18:28  

Yeah. The idea of Wiki is it’s information that is not owned and managed by one person. It’s like communally sort of tended to write, so that’s how Wikipedia works. Anybody can write, go contribute, and edit those pages.

Tim  18:49  

Which is funny because I forbid my students to use it in 2004, and I think by 2014, that’s where I was telling them to go first.

Ryan  18:57  

Oh, yeah, there’s studies on this. It drives me crazy because my children’s teachers still forbid them to use Wikipedia as a real source, and I’m like, there’s been tons of studies that show it’s one of the most accurate sources of information out there, and all kinds of more formal sources are full of flaws. It’s not perfect, and you have to know how to use that information, but I can’t believe people are still saying this is not a trusted source of information.

Tim  19:31  

It may be the only trusted source of information these days. There’s so many checks and balances on that. It literally might be the only reliable source.

Ryan  19:44  

It’s checked, right? I mean, we just watched the national championship the other night for basketball, and within thirty seconds, I guarantee that was on Wikipedia somewhere.

Tim  20:07  

Yeah. Whenever a celebrity dies, it’s updated almost immediately. Because there are so many people with author access, you get people who really care about stuff, who care about the veracity of the information. They care about the quality of the information. Even if you’re a saboteur and go in there and you feel like you’re gonna mess things up, it gets corrected almost immediately.

Ryan  20:37  

What’s been your relationship to the social part of social media?

Tim  20:43  

Absolutely hate it.

Ryan  20:44  

Really? You don’t tweet?

Tim  20:47  

I do. Alright, I know that this can almost be its own episode because I really despise social media. I always have. It’s always felt sort of fake and posturing to me even from the early days. In fact, I don’t have any social media accounts for myself. Zero. I have created accounts for J. Thorn and for my business, but personally, I have no social media accounts. The only one that I really do, I have a VA who does Pinterest for me, for J. Thorn, and then I have a J. Thorn Twitter account. I do tweet, but really all I’m doing is tweeting out like podcast episodes, and I spent about three minutes a day on it. I don’t really engage. I don’t really interact. I don’t follow people and comment on threads. I mean, it’s like I said, it’s a bigger conversation, but I just really never got into social media, and it doesn’t matter if it’s Tiktok or Instagram, I’m just not into it. Do you use it?

Ryan  21:57  

No, but I just assumed heading into this conversation that you did a lot and that I was going to be the one that said no, I really don’t use it. I don’t know why I thought you did.

Tim  22:10  

No. I think we’re gonna struggle building this audience because neither of us are naturally active on social media, so we’re gonna have to come up with more clever ways because I can’t do something that I don’t believe in. I’ve tried. I’ve tried so many times. I mean, you can imagine after starting publishing and over ten years ago, many, many times over the years, I’ve dipped in and out of Facebook. I’ve dipped in and out of Instagram. I’ve been active and non active on Twitter. It’s just not an enjoyable experience for me at all.

Ryan  22:44  

Yeah. I don’t know if it would be enjoyable to me or not. I like to hear what other people have to say sometimes. I mean, sometimes it’s just noise, and I think that’s part of my problem with social media is it just feels like a lot of noise, a lot of sort of under-thought articulations. A bigger reason for me, and I still don’t think that I’ve really processed this or acclimated to it, but you know, I live in my head. I’m an introvert, I think a lot, and if I have anything to offer the world, it’s my unique thoughts. That’s really all I got. One thing I don’t like about the social media revolution is it just opened the doors for blatant sort of copy and paste copying. For me, I always wanted to hold on to my ideas because I’m like, if I start blogging or tweeting or whatever my thoughts, they’re not mine anymore. Even as careful and protective as I’ve been and as inactive as I’ve been on social media, I’ve still seen it. I’ve seen people use graphics that I’ve made that are really unique, and I’m not going to name names, but like, use them in a presentation, and I know they’ve completely forgotten where they got them. They don’t give me credit.

Tim  24:18  

Sorry, man, I should have mentioned.

Ryan  24:22  

You know what I mean, though? I don’t think that’s solving itself anytime soon.

Tim  24:30  

You almost have to swallow that as a cost of doing business. I get it, and in the publishing industry, I’ve worked hard over the past, especially the past five years to carve out a space for myself where I’m saying things that maybe other people aren’t saying or I’m bringing perspectives other people don’t. Then I hear those reflected back to me in podcasts that I’m in, like I’m in a certain circle of podcasts and then I’ll listen to those, and I hear some of the things I say come back to me in my own words. I’m not saying those people are intentionally ripping that off, but I know they’ve heard it and processed it, and now it’s become part of their lexicon, so I don’t know, there’s nothing you can do about that. I’m in a position where I feel like I have put myself out there. I have to put my thoughts out there, and if I do that enough and stay in it long enough, I’ll persist whereas the copiers and the copycats and the replicators won’t.

Ryan  25:32  

Yeah, I think that’s true. I think there’s still part of me that wants to put things down into a book, you know, but the problem I have is I don’t find the time to write books. I probably could find the time to do blog posts, but that’s where I’m too cautious. I’m like, well, once I put these unique thoughts out there, people are just going to recycle and reuse them, and then they won’t be unique anymore. I feel like I’m still waiting to find the time to put it in book form because at least then I have my name on it.

Tim  26:12  

Yeah. I get it. I think your fears might be a little unfounded. I’ll give you an example. You know, Seth Godin is one of my personal heroes. I love the guy. He’s been blogging every day for over a decade. His stuff gets ripped off all the time. I see Seth Godin stuff everywhere, but he has created a place for himself. He has a brand, he has products, he has services, he has books. No one’s ever confusing Seth Godin with anybody else. Again, I think it’s this idea of like, he might have unique ideas and then other people take those, but unless you’re him, they don’t add up to anything. Someone’s taking your ideas, okay, maybe they can parrot what you’re saying, that doesn’t mean they can go and create a workshop like Ryan Wooley could. You know what I mean? Or they can’t write a book like you would. I don’t think that the fear’s as great as you think it might be.

Ryan  27:13  

Yeah, but to get to that place, you have to really be tending to that audience. Once you’re Seth Godin, yeah, you probably really don’t need to worry about it anymore, but I’m just saying when you’re trying to get to that place when you’re sort of climbing that hill, but I know it’s unfounded.

Tim  27:31  

And that’s where you and I are right now. I mean, what I did with J. Thorn really has no relevance to what we’re doing with Teaching Transformations. We’re talking about things in unique ways, and I would not be surprised if we start hearing some of that in other places, but we’re just gonna keep showing up week after week, and we’re gonna keep writing the Sunday newsletters. It’s a war of attrition, I guess is the way I’m looking at it.

Ryan  27:59  

Yeah, and you have to care enough to do that. Even the borrowing that happens, I mean, most people are just consuming that, and that’s their relationship to it, and to go from that to building your own audience and sharing your own thoughts, that’s a very deliberate step. If you’re going through the trouble of making that step, then you probably do have a lot of your own. You’re not really just copying a bunch of what everybody else is talking about.

Tim  28:36  

Yeah. Right.

Ryan  28:39  

So, this term web 3.0 has been being talked about for quite a while. I think I even did a couple presentations when I first took this job back in 2008, 2009, and there were already signals back then about what web 3.0 was going to look like that really picked up steam. I would say more like 2012, 2014 is sort of when a lot of people were starting to talk about web 3.0, and I would say it reached the tip of the hype cycle. Probably 2015, I’m just ballparking these, but where everybody was talking about web 3.0, and they kept using this term, the Semantic Web. Were you  aware of that?

Tim  29:37  

Not at all. This is fascinating to me because I was not in those conversations.

Ryan  29:43  

Well, it’s too complex to get into. First of all, I’d be completely unqualified to turn this into a primer about web 3.0. There are a lot of articles out there about it, and I’ve read some of them, and it’s interesting, but it’s a little bit complex and detailed. I think the big takeaway is what the Semantic Web is: a web of meaning. It’s more of a web of nuance, and the idea was that it uses this information, it has to make sense of what you’re trying to accomplish in it, it sort of makes smart decisions based on what it sees. I’m sure I’m butchering this explanation, but if it sees you searching for travel information, and it knows that you’ve looked for certain things, like, you know, maybe in the past, you’ve looked for travel accommodations that offer pet lodging or something like that, it sees that, it starts to help, it knows that about you and starts to steer the results around what it knows about you. I’m grossly oversimplifying this, but it just becomes a smarter web, basically.

Tim  31:07  

Well, I mean, you’re talking about AI, right? Isn’t that sort of at the core of this?

Ryan  31:12  

Yeah, and some of this has happened. We’ve all seen the advertisements that are really directed. I talked earlier about this strut job I’m about to do, so I’ve been searching struts, and it takes about two minutes before any web page I go to has advertisements for struts, so some of it has come to pass but not to the level they expected. In fact, and I was kind of surprised by this because I actually was sort of paying attention to this like five years ago, and then I read a few articles and then just kind of dropped it, but it really has not come to pass the way that anyone expected, and there’s some really interesting articles out there about why that’s the case. Let me see here, I’m trying to find the one. Well, one that I like a lot is this article by Charles Silver of Forbes Technology Council where he talks about the disillusionment of web 3.0 and how it was all the rage five years ago, but it really hasn’t come to pass, and it doesn’t look like it’s going to, and part of the problem is because we overhyped the possibilities, and we underestimated what it requires to deal with nuance and context. It’s a very human thing. It’s easy to imagine machines being smart and making decisions based on context, but it’s really hard to implement that and way harder than anybody realized. I think that’s why the Semantic Web or web 3.0 really is not looking like we thought it would. Another really, really great post that I would recommend if anybody has any interest in this at all is by an author who goes by Obi 10, and it’s on a blog called Two Bit History. It really talks about this kind of broken promise of the Semantic Web, and if you research this, you’ll find all kinds of technical language out there. This one puts it into layman’s terms and helps make meaning of it rather than swimming in a lot of technical jargon. I think part of it, too, is like a decentralization. This part is sort of happening. Do you know anything about blockchain or what that is?

Tim  34:06  

I mean, I probably know as much as you do. I still don’t quite know what it is.

Ryan  34:13  

Yeah. Again, I’ll try to capture the gist, and this will be the English major in me trying to explain something that is really highly technical, but like the overall gist is it’s trying to decentralize information, so like instead of PayPal having all of your information, your name and your bank account information and all that, and we need to go through PayPal to have a transaction, we each have our own set of information. The technology allows us to sort of handshake with each other directly rather than go through a more of a central system. That’s another one of the big characteristics of web 3.0, and that one, that side of it seems to be developing a little more rapidly than the Semantic Web Part. Maybe this has no relevance, but there has been a lot in the news over the past five years or so. The big tech companies have had a little egg on their face about what they do with information, all that kind of stuff, some of the entrepreneurs and solopreneurs and creative types are, I think, seeing a web 3.0 as a place where they get to control their information more, and they get to control how they’re paid for time and stuff like that, so that’s why it might be a little relevant to the people who are sort of trying to carve out space.

Tim  35:56  

Yeah, I’m pretty sure a lot of my author friends are paying real close attention to NFTs. This idea that you can create a one off digital item, that kind of changes the game in many ways. I know a lot of musicians are looking at, you know, celebrities, but this idea that you can’t replicate that, and I think that was always the problem. When we entered a digital era, it became a matter of a few clicks to just duplicate anything you wanted, so now it’s almost coming full circle back to well, it’s still a digital property, but it’s not. It has value that can be tracked. There are a lot of conversations going on about this. There are people who feel like it’s going to end the world, and there are other people who feel like it’s going to transform it, and I basically just want to be plugged into the Matrix in 1989 and not have to worry about any of this stuff. I don’t know if that’s gonna happen. I would certainly sign up for it, but yeah, I don’t know. It’s a great question. I think it’s something we’re going to be talking about for a number of years. I think it has some direct relevance to people right now who are still teaching or you know, still at a day job but are looking ten years out. I mean, I think blockchain and crypto and AI in ten years time is gonna look radically different. I mean, it could potentially be as different as it was when we got web 1.0.

Ryan  37:32  

Yeah. Well, I’m gonna read this blurb to you, and I want to get your reaction to it. This comes from that blog post I talked about, that Obi 10 Two Bit History blog. In this blog post, it goes through all this stuff about why the Semantic Web isn’t coming to be, and then it ends with like a, man, though, I wish it was coming to pass because here’s the kind of thing that would happen, so I’ll just read this to you. The author wrote, “Imagine a web where rather than filling out the same tedious form every time you register for a service, you are somehow able to authorize services to get that information from your own website. Imagine a Facebook that keeps your list of friends hosted on your own website up to date rather than vice versa.” I was just intrigued by that because it was kind of like, man, why are we giving up on these ideas for a new kind of web? I was just kind of intrigued by that. I think in part, the filling out of forms is such a rudimentary thing. With my children applying to colleges and stuff like that, there’s just all this stuff that you fill out again and again and again. I know with the common app and stuff, it’s come a long way, but it just still feels like, why do I fill out the same personal information again, and again, and again?

Tim  39:12  

I just refinanced, and I can’t tell you how much redundancy is in that process. It is just brutal. I was sitting there with my wife, and I was getting irritated because I’m like, it’s just signing one document after another, after another. This is the most ridiculous thing to be doing in 2021. It’s almost as bad as when someone sends me a PDF and asks me to print it out and fill it out and then take a picture and send it back to them.

Ryan  39:44  

Yes, we still do way too much of that here at our school.

Tim  39:48  

Yeah, I wasn’t gonna point fingers.

Ryan  39:50  

I know.

Tim  39:51  

That comes from you guys.

Ryan  39:52  

Yes. I know that, and it’s kind of like, yep, that’s on the to-do list. Part of it is we’re too small to get a huge benefit out of it as an organization. You’re the distributed pain that’s out there for everybody. It doesn’t sting us enough as an organization to have the will to change it.

Ryan  39:52  

Right. Some of the parents have to take a picture and send it, you know, they’ll do it.

Ryan  40:09  

That’s your problem, and it’s not gonna bother you enough that you’re going to complain.

Tim  40:32  

Not yet.

Ryan  40:33  

Yeah. If I see complaints come through, I’ll know.

Tim  40:38  

You’ll know.

Ryan  40:42  

Alright. Well, that’s kind of all I had. It’ll be interesting to see how this unfolds over the next few years, especially as we think about creating our own space and our own audiences and stuff. Whether those are audio audiences like this one or written audiences, these are things we have to be aware of. We have to know sort of where things are headed and understand the meaning behind it, I think, to know how to capitalize on it.

Tim  41:16  

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What Is Web 3.0? – https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2020/01/06/what-is-web-3-0/?sh=1379494058df

The Spatial Web and Web 3.0 – https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/insights/topics/digital-transformation/web-3-0-technologies-in-business.html

What Is Web 3.0? Features, Definitions, & Examples – https://permission.io/blog/web-3-0/

The Decentralized Internet is Here: Web 3.0 and the Future of Blockchain-Powered Future – https://medium.com/bitfishlabs/the-decentralized-internet-is-here-web-3-0-and-the-future-of-blockchain-powered-future-f16ff02584a9

Embracing Web 3.0: The New Internet Era Will Begin Soon – https://www.hackernoon.com/embracing-web-3-0-the-new-internet-era-will-begin-soon-630ff6c2e7b6 

Two-Bit History – https://twobithistory.org/

Transformations – The free weekly email with the best personally curated resources to help teachers in their late forties or fifties to design a post-academic life. – https://teachingtransformations.com/ 

Teaching Transformations Podcast – https://teachingtransformations.com/podcast/ 

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